Curse

Adam of Tyria · Jan 23, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

Why does everyone seem to say this when it comes to warriors and their weapons? Even though people still use the Vamp/Elemental/Furious mods for swapping, sundering is not even bad.

I use sundering and I see a huge difference in the damage I do. Everyone treats sundering like its the noobiest thing ever since HH wars.

Biostem · Jan 23, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by Adam of Tyria

Why does everyone seem to say this when it comes to warriors and their weapons? Even though people still use the Vamp/Elemental/Furious mods for swapping, sundering is not even bad.

I use sundering and I see a huge difference in the damage I do. Everyone treats sundering like its the noobiest thing ever since HH wars.

Sundering means you treat hits vs an enemy like they have less armor, or something to that effect. Generally, though, enemies have much less armor vs some or all elemental damage, which yields even more of a damage increase if used correctly, or vampiric mods simply ignore armor all together and just steal health. Other options, like furious help to generate adrenaline more quickly, which can be used to fire off those attack skills which are the real big hitters.

Generally, I say go with what you find that works, so if you like your sundering weapon, then more power to you...

Adam of Tyria · Jan 23, 2008, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Biostem

Sundering means you treat hits vs an enemy like they have less armor, or something to that effect. Generally, though, enemies have much less armor vs some or all elemental damage, which yields even more of a damage increase if used correctly, or vampiric mods simply ignore armor all together and just steal health. Other options, like furious help to generate adrenaline more quickly, which can be used to fire off those attack skills which are the real big hitters.

Generally, I say go with what you find that works, so if you like your sundering weapon, then more power to you...

Sure I swap my weapons to elemental when fighting enemies with weakness to elemental damage, and Zealous when running shock axe or something like that and need energy. It just seems like everyone says Sundering = Fail.

Dodo The Extinct · Jan 23, 2008, 03:04 AM // 03:04

Vampiric gives more DPS. Sundering gives you higher crits. Vamp is better overall.

A good warrior swaps to the appropriate weapon whenever it is needed. Bad warriors don't take full advantage of their weapon slots, and therefore do less damage.

blue.rellik · Jan 23, 2008, 03:15 AM // 03:15

Sundering is used with Spears, axes, scythes and hammers when you're going for the spike. Otherwise you use Vampiric for the added pressure (or maybe zealous for scythes)

DarkNecrid · Jan 23, 2008, 03:20 AM // 03:20

Sundering works 1/5th of the time for the same amount of damage difference that Vamp adds to your damage 100% of the time.

Savio · Jan 23, 2008, 03:46 AM // 03:46

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Originally Posted by Adam of Tyria

I use sundering and I see a huge difference in the damage I do.

You shouldn't see a huge difference except for sundercrits.

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Sundering works 1/5th of the time for the same amount of damage difference that Vamp adds to your damage 100% of the time.

Wrong.

Dr Strangelove · Jan 23, 2008, 03:48 AM // 03:48

Sundering is good in PvP if you want big crits to murder people. Vamp is good if you just want straight damage.

Kyrein · Jan 23, 2008, 03:58 AM // 03:58

sundering owns with crit sins

ejp · Jan 23, 2008, 04:01 AM // 04:01

build on furious on swap for spike people are just bad

Feurin Longcastle · Jan 23, 2008, 04:20 AM // 04:20

The main reason you'll hear naysaying on Sundering is that a lot of people will parrot what others say, especially if it's the perceived "elite" stance. Most can't justify why they make the decision they do. (Which is why you'll hear "Never use Sundering! Never use Superior Runes!" etc)

Sundering has it's place. Test it with the Master of Damage, it beats Furious (tested with simple +damage adrenal skills) and comes slightly behind vamp, though in one of my tests it came out ahead. If you can't be bothered to constantly swap weapons and dislike the fact that your HP is leaking slowly, sundering is your best bet.

In PvP sundercrits are typically favoured over constant DPS. It's not the worst choice by any means.

JR · Jan 23, 2008, 05:08 AM // 05:08

Vamp is higher DPS, which is really what the Warrior class is about. I don't see a reason to take any other prefix if you are bothered about doing your job properly.

Sundering crits are nice, but DPS is the money.

Savio · Jan 23, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by ejp

build on furious on swap for spike people are just bad

Furious is bad.

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Originally Posted by Feurin Longcastle

The main reason you'll hear naysaying on Sundering is that a lot of people will parrot what others say, especially if it's the perceived "elite" stance. Most can't justify why they make the decision they do. (Which is why you'll hear "Never use Sundering! Never use Superior Runes!" etc)

Well, it only took 2+ years to get to the point where people would accept that vampiric is better than 10/10 sundering; unfortunately, sundering was buffed during that time, among other things.

Div · Jan 23, 2008, 05:18 AM // 05:18

So this is another one of those dumb sundering vs vamp debates? Search is your friend.

i Valinor · Jan 23, 2008, 08:01 AM // 08:01

i think most warriors should have an elemental weapon, a sundering and a vamp weapon. get used to having to swap and just keep at it, i still space out time to time and wounding why im hitting a ranger with an elem mod'd weapon.

blue.rellik · Jan 23, 2008, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

sundering owns with crit sins

Sundering is crap with sins

zling · Jan 23, 2008, 03:40 PM // 15:40

sin crit a lot but has lower crit dmg. sins also double strike a lot, which is where vamp shines most...
the only weapon I use sundering on is the scythe, as even 1 trigger out of 5, aka 20% with high scythe dmg justifies it. for the weapons vamp is just superior by far...

The Way Out · Jan 23, 2008, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Sundering is crap with sins

It really is! lol...

kobey · Jan 23, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47

sundering makes a sword looks nice :P
efficiency wise, vamp > sundering
but for some reasons, i use sundering for my swords :P

Taurucis · Jan 23, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Dodo The Extinct

Vampiric gives more DPS. Sundering gives you higher crits. Vamp is better overall.

A good warrior swaps to the appropriate weapon whenever it is needed. Bad warriors don't take full advantage of their weapon slots, and therefore do less damage.

What is this, World of Warcrack where gear determines how good a player you are?

IMO it's a matter of personal preference. I mostly use greens, and for some odd reason they all seem to be Sundering. I still managed to complete the campaigns and EotN. I'm sure there's people out there who think Furious is best, also some who think Ebon is best... What's best for you might not be best for everyone else.